An Oak is an Oak

A very interesting article came out of the peer-reviewed journal New Phytologist yesterday (as of this writing) that looked at the genetics and ancestry of oak trees. The article was very intriguing and, while it used the evolutionary phylogeny to come to its conclusions, still merits some investigation.  There is more to this study than meets the eye.

As part of this research, the researchers mapped some parts of the DNA of two hundred and fifty different oak species. They then used several phylogenetic methods to determine how these oak species were related to one another. Their study claimed that about 60% of oaks in the world can be traced back to four ancestors.  One diagram in particular they used stood out.  The diagram is below.  This diagram shows the results of a phylogenetic analysis so it is not entirely unbiased but it the picture is very interesting.

new phytologist

While these oaks all, according to the phylogeny, link together, we should be skeptical of that because phylogeny assumes a universal common ancestor so it is not surprising that the phylogenies all tie back together. The dogma demands it. However, what I want to focus on is what the evolutionists call clades, or in this instance, groupings.  Based on the color coding, these researchers think that there are seven separate groupings here.  Two of those are very small and could potentially could be placed together if a more complete genomic analysis was performed.

The other nodes are more interesting.  The blue node is huge and, if the tree is accurate, ties all back into one common ancestor, which was an oak.  The rest of the nodes likewise share a common oak ancestor within the nodes, However, again if the drawing is accurate, the yellow, greens and red nodes all share a common ancestor as well. Again, we are assuming the drawing is accurate which it most assuredly is not, at least completely.

However, this data, if it is accurate (without a solid baraminology of oaks it’s impossible to know for sure) there are a couple of interesting points for creationists to consider.  First, consider this in light of the flood.  All land plants were wiped from the surface of the earth during the flood but their seeds survived. After the waters went down, the seeds germinated and formed the ancestral populations of the plants we observe today.  Based on this data, it looks like there were three different types of oak seeds that germinated after the flood.  It is possible there were more that went extinct in the post-flood world.

The implications of this data are that there were speciation events prior to the flood. Again, this is assuming that the data is accurate. However, with that assumption in play, we can take an entirely new look at the fossil record. Consider Tyranosaurids. There are dozens of dinosaurs considered to be Tyranosaurids, including the famous T. rex and Allosaurus.  What if we could look at them, not as different genera, but different species within the same genera? Most dinosaurs and, indeed most extinct organisms, are known by their genus name. But if speciation was happening in a pre-flood world, then all these known genera which we all learn as kids are not actually valid genera. Many of them should be folded into a single genera which more accurately describes the relationships among the various species.

This is just one way that looking at the world through a creationist Biblical perspective changes how we view biology.  Instead of viewing the fossil record as recording events over long periods of time, creationists view it as the result of the Flood in Noah’s day. This means, rather than being distantly related through eons of time, the animals in Flood sediments lived at the same time. Thus members of the same kind in Flood sediments are much more closely related than they are assumed to be under the evolutionary dogma.  Particularly for plants and other non-air breathing, land-dwelling organisms, which would have potentially had multiple species survive the flood, this means we could see broader ranges of diversity in these organisms.

While the evolutionists did not do it on purpose, their study does have some implications which support the Biblical worldview.  While oaks do reproduce oaks,  it is possible that several different species of oaks survived the flood and appeared in the post-flood world.  This could be possible for numerous other baramins as well and should be taken into account in any baraminology model.


image credit: New Phytologist


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  1. i agree with this. yes they survived in seeds and so easily lots of species of oak survived. Figuring out the trail backwards is corrupted if they insist on a common descent. there was probably only one oak created on creation week but this would be hidden from us i think. how biology speciates is another issue and could confuse speciation in oaks. In fact evolutionists constantly invoke convergent evolution to explain what they can’t explain. i question if four is the right answer.
    Anyways good article.


    1. Thanks mate. Had a couple atheists strongly object to this one on twitter, which generally tells me when I’ve touched a nerve. 🙂 Speciation is something I have a very strong interest in so when the evolutionists serve me this big a softball, I can’t resist taking a shot at it 🙂


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